SPEAKER_01: 0:15

What's up, Life Talk family? Welcome back to the Life Talk Podcast. This is Nate coming to you today with two very special guests here that are part of Life House. I have Paige and Kyle Scheltz. How are you guys doing today? Doing good.

SPEAKER_02: 0:30

Doing great.

SPEAKER_01: 0:30

Doing good, man. Good. I I would be very worried if you guys said bad. We'd have to, you know, cancel the podcast today. So somebody eventually is probably going to say that, right? So, well, great to have you guys. And for our listeners, we are journeying through the month of October. Our faithfully different theme for the month is we hope, really about the hope that we have in Christ, uh, the salvation that that is available to us. It just gives us great hope in all circumstances. And so I know Paige and Kyle have some amazing testimony of just how that hope has played out. Uh, so just really excited for our listeners to hear from you all to be encouraged. And so thank you all for taking the time today. But uh, I guess since it's ladies first, will uh Kyle agree to uh let his lovely wife go first? So, Paige, maybe just share a little bit about who Paige is growing up, your background, you know, what we should know about Paige.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25

Uh so I was born in Columbia, Maryland, on the western shore of the um over the Bay Bridge, I should say. Um I moved around a lot while I was growing up, um, but I was raised in a what I would say a Christian home. My parents did their very best to um bring us up in that way. My dad's parents have a very strong faith. Um, my grandmother on my mom's side, Maomi, she had a very, very strong relationship with the Lord. Um, so it definitely is an example I've seen in my family. Um, but my parents' marriage kind of um was different behind closed doors, which made it very difficult growing up. Um, and when I got to, I would say probably around the same age uh as Kyle will share, uh, like 13 years old, 14, where I kind of just kind of started getting confused, feeling confused about what's real and what wasn't, uh, as far as faith in God, because what I was growing up and seeing at home was different than what I was seeing at church. Um, my dad was very involved with the church. Um, and I have, you know, some of my earliest memories of being at church are me being up by the worship team, dancing, praise dancing um with the praise uh team, the worship dance team. And I fell in love, I would say, with the Lord from a very young age. Um, and I wanted to pursue a relationship with him. But as I said, things got harder for me. Um, and I would say that I definitely, you know, had my wilderness season. I I steered away from that. And then um, as I got older, I started, you know, um, we moved to Kent Island, so to the Eastern Shore. Sorry, I'm jumping around a little bit, but um, moved to the Eastern Shore when I was going into fifth grade.

unknown: 3:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 3:22

And then we eventually moved to Kent County when I uh was going into my sophomore year of high school, which is where I ended up meeting Kyle, actually. So um it's a blessing. So we uh so moving to Kent County, um, I would say that's really when I started to um struggle um with substance abuse on and off. Um I was hanging out with people who glorified that lifestyle. And so I lived in that kind of atmosphere and lifestyle for I would say several years. Um, and then when I was about 17, so this wasn't um long before um, you know, meeting Kyle, but I ended up going to a um a Christian camp with my cousins, where I absolutely felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. Um, and it was overwhelming, um, honestly. And I asked for forgiveness and I wanted and had full intention, you know, of um following him from that point forward. Uh, but returning home kind of made that a little hard. Um, same people, same environment. Um, and so uh, and at that point, my mom and my dad were no longer together. So they got divorced um right around that age when I was about 17 to 18 years old, I would say. And that was really hard. It was also something that I think me and my siblings saw coming. Um, if that makes sense. We kind of we grew up in a chaotic environment that uh really made us, um, like I said, question our faith, but also um make not very good choices. But our parents' um divorce was inevitable. Uh so leading after that, uh at 18, 19 years old, I met or 20, 20 years old, met Kyle.

SPEAKER_01: 5:23

And um at that point, I was the love of your life, right? Yes. So well, maybe a good point. So you're about that age and yeah, I'm just coming to meet Kyle, some challenging times. I know my parents divorced when I was nine, and yeah, it can be a challenge to your faith, right? So you're hearing all these things, but then you know, having that divided home life is very challenging.

SPEAKER_02: 5:44

So yeah, and I would say it's very it was like a very um almost performative, so like works-based kind of faith is what I was seeing play out. Um, so that was all I really knew. Um, and I didn't know any different. Uh, but I also think that just the choices, it was like the further I got into the wilderness, the harder it became for me to turn around, it felt like at that point. Um, but when um I met Kyle, I definitely wasn't expecting for him to be the person that I had spent the last 13 years with. But uh the Lord definitely um brought us together for a reason. So we were 20 years old, young, still very much in that um, I would say, lifestyle of not living for the Lord necessarily at this point. And I would say it wasn't really until we lost our first child that we were our world was rocked to its core. Um, and I think that when something like that happens, it makes you slow down and take a step back and examine things. And I didn't really know where to turn. Um a lot to process, um, a lot of pain. And I didn't understand why um at that point. That was the biggest question. I I wanted to understand why something like that would happen. Um and I am grateful to God um that I had a friend reach out who attended Life House um and was persistent in messaging me and um, you know, guiding me and telling me this is this is where you need to turn. This is this is what you're missing, and this is where your healing is going to come from. And I wanted everything that she was saying. I wanted healing, I wanted to feel free from the grief and the pain. And so I decided to check out Life House Church. I came one Sunday by myself. And then I would say the following Sunday, I believe it was, uh, Kyle came with, and we definitely felt that first sermon. It was um Danny Ford speaking and he was speaking about, I think it was it was about father, father specifically, I want to say parent parenting. And um it it just it was what we needed to hear in that moment. Um, and then you know, moving forward, I think we we continue to come. I don't know if I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but we continued to come to Lifehouse Church. Um and I would say looking at like our timeline, we were writing down, you know, looking at just how the Lord has um worked from the time that we started, you know, pursuing him and coming to Lifehouse Church up until today, present time. And he, you know, uh it happened what looks like pretty quickly in the beginning. Um, and it's just been a slow process of just sanctification and um him stripping away and revealing um and convicting me and Kyle of the things um that were in our life that just were not of him and not not not what he wanted for us either.

SPEAKER_01: 9:10

So and so kind of between that time when you got married, you were kind of away from church. Sounds like you're still in that wilderness timeline before really being called back to Lifehouse Church at that time. Yeah. Well, and I think so, Kyle, tell us a little bit, you know, I know we're kind of up to that point and some difficulties, and I know we want to get to that, but maybe just share a little bit about growing up and you know how Kyle journeyed through the early years before meeting Paige and kind of your time together.

SPEAKER_00: 9:39

Yeah. So um growing up, I I remember attending church once in a while as a child. Once we got older, we didn't really go to church much. And uh in doing so, you know, kind of veered off with the wrong crowd. Uh grew up right in Galena, small town, you know, everybody knows everybody. But during when I was growing up, um, you know, got into some trouble, I guess around the age of 14, I was I got in trouble with uh the law and I was put in a boys home for about two and a half years. It was uh, you know, going into high school. So um from high school, from my freshman year to about 10th grade, um I I still attended the same school locally, was just in a different and just in this home for you know the things I'd done. But um, you know, graduated high school, completed the program that I was in, and um then met Paige. Um, and you know, we just uh you know got married, ended up getting married, falling in love.

SPEAKER_01: 10:33

She was uh we got to hear the story of how you met. You know, we can't have couples on. So what's what's the story?

SPEAKER_00: 10:39

Is there a so um I guess initially um we kind of ran into each other. It was at um a party, and uh we just kind of kind of you know was talking, kicked it off, uh, you know, just talking, and then uh just ended up hanging out, taking her on a date, and uh just love at first sight, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 10:58

Yes, yes it was like the light opened from heaven and that kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:03

I I I knew that she was the uh the one for me uh about a day or two after. God had plans, right? Yes, he did. He did, but yeah, so and when I was growing up, you know, I like I said, I was you know, a pretty much a problem child. I was bad, and um, I got in a lot of trouble. And even out of high school, um I continued to get in trouble before I met Pai. Um, you know, I was ended up going to jail for a little bit of time, um, didn't make all the right choices, and it just was the consequences of my actions. Um, but looking back, you know, that was just just the road that God had planned for me. Um, I was left, you know, to my own sin, and my sin is uh what got me where I was at.

SPEAKER_01: 11:46

So you guys met. So how were the early years of you know, kind of your relationship and marriage? You know, again, maybe you kind of sounds like both kind of away from the Lord at that point. I know Paige, you kind of said you grew up, so you kind of knew and and had that early desire, but just kind of walking through. So how were those early years of marriage, you know, and and the things that you guys were dealing with? How would you guys characterize those?

SPEAKER_02: 12:08

Um, I would say, I mean, so we we didn't um get married until uh 2020. So right in the middle of the pandemic.

SPEAKER_01: 12:20

Pandemic, sure. So we had been in the Do you have to do a virtual wedding? Was it all on the no? Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 12:27

I mean, we did follow, I guess, some of the protocols.

SPEAKER_01: 12:30

The guidelines, yeah. Yeah, like it was uh like did you have masks on and limited amount of okay just check it. There's funny stories, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 12:39

Somebody did give us um white masks that said Mr. and Mrs. on them for us to have for afterwards.

SPEAKER_00: 12:47

I don't know who made it I think we took some pictures in them too, just you know, given the time.

SPEAKER_02: 12:51

Yeah, just to be funny. But um, so we um had been engaged at that point for five years.

SPEAKER_03: 12:58

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 12:59

Um and engagement. Yeah, long engagement. We had dated for five, and we had walked through, you know, trials, um, nothing quite um as significant as the loss of our children, but um, we definitely had faced um, you know, small battles and small hiccups. Um, and then we had McKenzie. Uh well, I'm like way, I'm jumping all around.

SPEAKER_01: 13:24

So married in 2020. Yeah. So then what was kind of the next steps you guys were still living in the area? Yeah, we um how it was adapting to married life and getting it.

SPEAKER_02: 13:35

It was definitely, I don't know if it's like we were it, we kind of already felt like we were married. Yeah, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00: 13:44

And that's how it kind of felt because we were together for, like I said, we were we were dating for five years and we were engaged for five years. And then um, so we're and we're all getting ready to celebrate our what fourth year of marriage? Fifth, fifth year of marriage, yeah. Yeah, five years. Yeah. So um, you know, when in the beginning of the marriage, we s we still hadn't found our our well, she had her faith. I I was kind of like an agnostic. I I didn't um really believe um in in God, and I didn't believe the Bible. I thought that um you know the Bible was was put out by the government, honestly. I thought it was to control people, and I was wrong, thank God. But um, you know, I I didn't um I I lived an unholy life, a life that was unpleasing to the Lord. Um that was honestly probably the last thought on my mind.

SPEAKER_01: 14:34

So you had kind of like wandering on page's side and kind of like just wasn't there, right? Like just kind of had never really seen that.

SPEAKER_00: 14:42

I was still, you know, I still had a job. I I I ran an appliance repair business for a few years and a commercial waterman. So you know, just raising raising kids, just living life, but just not in a holy way or or part of a church in any way either.

unknown: 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:56

Just very easily giving into fleshly desires. Um with and and it wasn't even a thought back then, you know, but now it's like unimaginable. Like I just I mean, I know we're not perfect, but I just mean it's just when I look back, I just can't believe, you know, just some of the things, you know, that we, you know, experienced or walked through. But um I would definitely say like uh, you know, beginning years, it was, you know, kind of living, well, it was I want to say we got married, and then once we got back from our honeymoon, wasn't really honeymoon, it's family vacation. We took our children with us. Uh, but it was nice.

SPEAKER_01: 15:40

We went to kids before you married. We yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 15:44

Two we had two prior to getting married. We had Mackenzie and Piper. Um, and McKenzie is actually gonna be 11 in February, and then Piper will be seven uh this December, which is unreal. Uh, but I'm so grateful for every day that we've had with them. And uh we had two kids at that point. Um, went on our vacation in the mountains, came back. And at that point, we had been trying, I would say for seven months to conceive. Um and build the family. Yeah, yeah. Um, and we kind of decided before the wedding, prior to the wedding, just kind of like put it on pause um and just you know, focus on, you know, the wedding, getting through the wedding and the the honeymoon and getting home. And then it was honestly just a few months later um that I found out I was pregnant with our third child, Layla. Um and it was obviously expected because we definitely had been trying. Um, but it wasn't always um wasn't always easy during that time either. Um, you know, Kyle has always been, I would say, the number one income provider in the home. There has been definitely seasons and times where I've worked, but for the most part, I've been once we started having kids, I was at home a lot with the children while he was working. But it also kind of um brought some loneliness and just things that I I battled and I struggled with, um, which also kind of shaped the way that I perceived my own husband, um, if that makes sense, you know. And once the Lord was brought into um, you know, our life and became the foundation of our life, it I've just seen the transformation um and and just how uh the redeeming work of the Lord and the cross is able to change the lens in which I see my husband and being able to forgive him and let go of those things and and recognize through conviction that I was operating from that kind of space.

SPEAKER_01: 18:04

Um and I would say, I mean, do you want to take it from so kind of yeah, so married and now pregnant with the third child and still kind of in that yeah, going through that part of life, you know. So what was kind of the next steps there?

SPEAKER_00: 18:22

Yeah, I'll share some. Um, so you know, she like she said, she was pregnant, um staying at home. I think Kenzie was in school at that time. Piper was young, she might have been two, maybe. So she was home with Piper a lot. I was I was working, you know, five, six days a week. Um when we were on our honeymoon, I actually licensed my apply my appliance repair company. Um, I left the company that I was working for and started my own business. So I was in the ground level of getting a business up and running, took a lot of time out of me. It was, and in in between doing all that, um I was you know crabbing on the weekends, just a little extra income. And um, you know, so the appliance repair took a lot out of me, took me out of the home for you know, six to eight hours a day, five to six days a week. Um, so I got kind of disconnected and and lost in my work as well. So, which, you know, is not a good place to be, putting your family by the wayside and and your work in front of your family. But um, after after um the appliance repair business got up and running, it kind of smoothed out a little bit. But um, it's just it just took time, you know, away from me and went away from the as the family unit, the leader of the family.

SPEAKER_01: 19:37

And without kind of the faith foundation, right? That's what the world would say do, you know, face this business, you know, these are the things you you should be doing, right? So just like you said, you know, when we look back, you know, I have much of the same, you know, thing in terms of my marriage. So, you know, how God redeems that. But maybe kind of kind of walk us through then, you know, you kind of mentioned the pregnancy and yeah, you know, where the marriage was, you know, what were kind of the next steps, you know, that led up to that, you know, coming to Lifehouse.

SPEAKER_02: 20:05

I would say so um it was July 21st was the was was when I had Layla. I don't know if that's where I should start off, but I feel like that's the right place.

SPEAKER_01: 20:18

So it's 2021.

SPEAKER_02: 20:20

Yes. So um 2021, July 21st, 2021, I gave birth to Layla. Um, and we were actually um in the hospital for I want to say about four or five days uh with her um just for monitoring and and things like that. So once we were released from the hospital, um, took her home. And of course, you know, our girls were overjoyed, very excited to have a sibling. Um, and uh it was an exciting time, you know, for our family. Um, so I would say we really didn't see what was coming before it came. Um, but we were only home with Layla for about a week when unfortunately um the Lord called her home. And she had been losing some weight um prior to her passing. And I had taken her to the pediatrician just literally the day before she passed away. Um, and it was just like a heaviness I can't explain that I felt in my, I mean, I'm in my in my spirit, I could feel something was just not right. As a mom, I just didn't know what it was exactly. Um, and leaving that doctor's office, I remember crying to Kyle's mom and saying, I just feel, I don't feel like I should be leaving right now, and I don't know why. Um, and I don't know if that would have even changed, you know, um the way things ended up because this is, you know, this is the this this is our testimony and this is the road that the Lord um the the story that the Lord wrote for us and we've been able to see why, you know, now later on past the the loss and the grief, but um we got up, it was um August 8th, August 8th of 2021. So she was only 14 days old. Um got up like every other morning for the last two weeks, woke up to her crying and got up and uh I noticed that Kyle was still home, which was not normal because he was crabbing at that time. And uh so I knew he shouldn't be home because it was much later on in the morning, still early hours, but later um than when he would have been leaving. So he uh was still dead asleep, woke him up, he hurried up and rushed out the door and you know, kissed us both goodbye. Um I sat down and uh nursed her, put her back in her uh bassinet, and I dozed back off. My other two girls were asleep as well. And uh I woke up, I would say, about an hour later, maybe, and she was gone. And that was really hard. I I honestly froze. I was in shock. I didn't really even know what to do because I had never experienced um I experienced loss. I had lost a grandmother and a few other family members, but nothing this significant before. So it was a shock. Um called 911. Actually, I couldn't even call 911. I had to call my best friend and had my best friend call 911 because I was trying to tend to my two kids and then Layla, obviously, and wanting to start CPR and all of those things. And so um, you know, the police came, ambulance came, Kyle found out and was rushing to get to us. Um, and we had to leave the house to go to the hospital because they were, you know, doing everything that they could. They were trying to save her and bring her back. And um it was just really hard. Like the the time between 911 being called and them getting there felt much longer.

SPEAKER_01: 24:14

Time just slows down.

SPEAKER_02: 24:15

Yeah, it just feels like everything stops. And it I just looking like when I think about it, I can see it like it was yesterday, just like ambulances in the driveway, and we live down a long lane, so it was just very chaotic and jumbled, all the vehicles and emergency vehicles and everything. And uh I rode with I'm not who my mom, your mom, someone drove with me to the hospital, and um Kyle ended up coming with a police officer, I believe. And uh I remember standing outside of the room where they had Layla, and um he wasn't he hadn't made it to the hospital yet, um, which I've never ever um, you know, held any kind of um bitterness or anything, anything negative in my heart towards him from not being by my side at that moment, because I knew he was doing everything that he could to get to us. Um, but they were, you know, working on her and the doctor and the nurse came out and they both came on either side. I mean, I think that's just because they knew that I was going to probably fall. And as soon as they told me my knees buckled, they just said that they had done everything that they could do, and they felt that they were hurting her more than they were saving her, and I had to make that decision in that moment to tell them to stop trying to resuscitate her. And um it was really hard. Um I had never had to make that kind of decision in my life, and I just never would have fathomed that I would ever be in that position. Um but once Kyle got there, I mean naturally, of course, he was in complete shock once he found out. Um he was, you know, we both were just weeping and we sat in the room with her for a little while, but then we just kind of felt like we needed to remove ourselves from that situation, and they took us to like a private room. But just like navigating the whole process of what it looks like after you lose an infant, it's it can be very invasive. Um, um, and it feels um feels like it's happening way too fast considering what you're experiencing in the moment. Uh but I would say that, you know, so much like I mean, you know, the word says what uh the enemy intends for evil, you know, God uses it for his good, and he has definitely done that through this. But I mean, do you want to share kind of like your perspective of that?

SPEAKER_00: 27:04

I just felt like I was, you know, 10 steps behind the whole time that I was trying to get to where they were. So I was, you know, just laid my track line out, going down the track line, very first run, and my phone rang, and it was um Paige. She said, Um, I found Layla, she's not breathing. I was like, call 911, and I said, I'm on the way in now. So I hung up the phone, left my trout lines where they were, drove as fast as I could to the boat ramp where I launched the boat at, and I just beached the boat, um, ran up to my truck, uh, dropped the trailer right where it was, and just took off. And, you know, probably excessively drove a little bit to uh get to where I was going. But I was down in Langford outside of Chestertown, trying to get up to Cecleton. I mean, it's probably a good 40 minutes. Um, it took me a little bit to get there. Um, about halfway through is when my mom called me. She said that um she's riding with Paige up to the hospital. Um, get to the rural farms, there'll be a police officer there waiting for you to take you up to the hospital. So um I finally get to Cecilton. I mean, it feels like a lifetime has gone by. Been praying the whole time, you know. And at this point, like I said, I didn't I didn't have a strong faith, um, but I was praying for a miracle. Um, and so get to the police officer, he runs me up to the hospital, and um I get in there and she just see Paige and she's you know a complete mess. And um, she said that they couldn't save her, they couldn't resuscitate her, and just in shock. Just, you know, like this is my brand new child. She's just so innocent and just a little baby, and it's just you know, it's a whirlwind of emotions coming over you, and you don't know what the next minute looks like. You really don't.

SPEAKER_01: 28:51

Something you don't wish on any parents, right? No parent wants to lose a child, much less an infant. So but so man, just tough time, you know. So now you guys are walking through this loss of a child, you know, this is like we talked about fall of 21, you know, kind of where were you guys at? You know, I know Kyle Share really didn't have that relationship with the Lord, page being away. You know, how did you guys kind of navigate this time, you know, from there?

SPEAKER_02: 29:18

I would say so. We definitely um we were just kind of, I feel like you kind of no, you weren't really working after losing her. We both really just kind of like I mean, like time stood, yeah, time stood still for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 29:36

For I didn't return to work for probably four or five weeks. I didn't go crab and I didn't do any appliance jobs. I just kind of laid in bed and was just in a really dark spot and in a bad place for for a while. Um, you know, I was really depressed, um, really going through it. Um, I eventually, you know, got through it, was able to, you know, get back about going to work and Providing for the family. But like I said, I was in a really dark place. I found myself searching for something. I didn't know what to believe, where to begin to look. But I knew I needed something. At one point, I was so depressed. This was actually, I think it was the it was the day that um the day that we lost her. I was contemplating to ending my life, taking my life. We were at the house. It was probably, I mean, it might have been maybe four or five hours since the whole ordeal happened. And um, we were everybody was at home, and um I got a gun, and I had walked up our driveway. It was a really long driveway, and there was, but there was this neighbor, she lived at the front of the driveway, and um, I was about three quarters of the way up the driveway, and I was just walking down, walking down the driveway with my head down, and uh I look up and she's standing um in the driveway, and she she looks at me and says, Honey, is everything okay? And I said, I said, No, ma'am. She said, Um, you know, I seen all the ambulances and the police officers. She said, What's going on if you don't mind me asking? And I told her, I said, my my daughter, we lost my daughter today, and she just um she hugged me and she she said, Can I pray over you? I said, Yes, ma'am. I said, You can. And uh, she prayed over me, and then she looked at me, she said, Now go back up there and be with your family. They need you now. And I just turned around and went back home. And um, you know, looking back at it now, it was divine intervention, like that was God. He yeah, and he had a plan for me. He he was wanting to rescue me. He he knew what I needed, and that was him.

SPEAKER_01: 31:41

Amen. God looks out for us in the world. Yes, he does sometimes like a guardian angel, you know, for sure. So, how did you guys kind of move forward from there? I know it was difficult, you know, kind of still like you say, God was looking out and he had a plan, but how did how did he kind of work with you guys last year?

SPEAKER_02: 31:58

Um, you know, we started um the process obviously of like planning services and all of those things. And I mean, I've shared this with so many people before I remember sitting there at the funeral home, and I'm like, we're both, you know, we're young, third child, and we're planning, you know, services for our our infant daughter. And I'm like, you know, I would have never thought we would be here, but I I was sure we would never be there again. Um, and I think that's what I was holding on to. Um, it's like, well, this if this happened now, it it can't happen again. Like it wouldn't. Like, I think in my head I was thinking the Lord wouldn't allow something like that, or you know, divine who at that point, I mean, I did believe that there was definitely a God. Like I said, I grew up with um just Bible-believing parents, but um, you know, going uh forward from that, I would say we started attending Lifehouse Church. Uh probably well, you had the date written down.

SPEAKER_00: 33:04

Yeah, it was um January, January of 2022.

SPEAKER_01: 33:08

Um this was when your friend invited you and started coming and kind of from that grief, you know, searching to to find the Lord and I don't what's what's real. So yeah, maybe share a little bit. So you came to Lifehouse and how did that go? How was Kyle? Did you want to come?

SPEAKER_00: 33:27

I know you kind of shared, you know, no, um actually um at first I didn't want to come, I didn't uh want to hear anything about it. Um I went once and I remember um you know me after the first time that I went, I told Paige, I said I'll never go back again. And um I I remember her actually just you know crying and she was on the ground just pleading and begging. She was like, please come back. And I was like, no, I don't I don't have any interest in it um at first. And then um, you know, a couple weeks probably went by, and but I seen what her attending church was doing for her and what she was bringing back to the home and showing the kids, and that's kind of what drew my interest a little more. Um, I just wanted what she had, and I saw the peace that she got from coming here. So um that's what that's really what I was chasing when I when I changed my mind about coming back to church.

SPEAKER_01: 34:23

That's a beautiful, I think it was first Peter we went through when the wife can win the husband without a word. But maybe Paige to share. I know you came back and you invited Kyle, but he didn't come. So how did God really kind of change you and being back in church and and uh seeking during that time?

SPEAKER_02: 34:40

I mean, you know, that it's it was that that peace that surpasses all understanding. I couldn't understand how I had such a peace um knowing what I had just what we had just walked through. Um, but it was just an overwhelming sense of peace. Um, and just like a knowing once we definitely started coming to church, and once we got saved and gave our lives to the Lord, which I would say happened once he returned to church and started coming back on Sundays with me, it wasn't long after that, maybe oh, two weeks, I want to say, because I felt the stirring the first Sunday, and actually I didn't go down, and I probably should have. But um, the following Sunday, I felt the same stirring in my heart. And I looked at Kyle and said, I'm going down there. Are you coming with me? And he said, Yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready. And we went down there and Pastor Mark prayed with us, and we, you know, accepted Jesus into our hearts and dedicated our lives to the Lord. And uh yeah, and it's just, I mean, the best, best thing literally that could have ever um happened at that time. And just, you know, uh, like I said, the peace, but the comfort and just being able to, like he said, bring that back into the home and being able to pour it into my children and show them how to how I was carrying myself. And at the time I didn't realize I thought I was not doing a good job of carrying the grief in front of them. And it was actually my mom who, you know, was sharing wisdom with me and just kind of told me, you know, like what you're showing them is how to walk through something so traumatic and so hard, but walk through it with grace. But I knew that grace was coming from outside of me. It was coming from the Lord pouring into me, coming out of me. And uh, you know, just going to church regularly after that. Um, and we ended up getting baptized in February.

SPEAKER_00: 36:51

Yeah, a few months after um, a few months, yeah, a month and a half after we um professed saving faith.

SPEAKER_02: 36:57

Yeah. February 27th of 2022 is when we decided that we wanted, we felt um called and led by the Lord and by the Holy Spirit to um be baptized by immersion. And um, you know, I had been baptized when I was younger, and actually coming to Life House is what kind of brought this curiosity and conversation between me and my mom, where I asked her, you know, I know I remember, I have memory of being baptized as a child. Did had I accepted the Lord? Like, did I profess saving faith? Like, did that happen? And she said it was kind of assumed. So it happens sometimes.

SPEAKER_01: 37:38

Yeah, that's why we always had to be careful with kids. It sounds like I have a similar story, you know, I had to be re-baptized, properly baptized, you know, before I really knew the Lord.

SPEAKER_02: 37:47

So yeah. So, but it was um definitely just think I would say it's just the way like uh the sermons are taught here at Life House that really kind of drew us in as well. Like um, just the expository preaching, verse by verse, really being able to dig in and understand and think that was something that was um seriously lacking, even though I was young at the time, the church we went to while I was growing up, uh, it was not verse by verse. It was very cherry-picked. So, like I said, it created a lot of confusion for me as a kid and even coming into this situation. But really, Life House brought clarity for me. Um, and I was finally able to uh understand God's word in a way that I didn't before.

SPEAKER_01: 38:36

Really beautiful together, right? Like God brought you guys both here. And Kyle, you're seeing that starting to change, those seeds being planted, and then you coming. Was there anything particular about you know how God called you to that that moment in time?

SPEAKER_00: 38:52

And you know, kind of not in particular, but um, I will just share that um, you know, from in between me being in a really dark spot, coming to Saving Faith, I was also struggling with an addiction. Um, an addiction that my wife didn't know anything about. I kept it hidden from her. So that caused, you know, issues throughout all of this situation as well. Um, and it wasn't until you know after my addiction came out that we we were got have got clarity and and now are free from that addiction. But um, so just in the midst of it all, you know, I was attending church. I was I I believed, but I was still I was still struggling. Stuck. Yes. And um I just, you know, there I would get you know a week or two, you know, clean and then I would just fall right back into it. Um, so in throughout the throughout all of that, that was like the biggest thing. It's like, you know, why won't God remove this sin from my life? Um, I want it gone. I wish it to be gone, but I just keep you know going back to it. But um, yeah, so that was just a a big part of you know my journey as well, my story as well.

SPEAKER_01: 40:01

So that kind of started before you came to faith and was something you say you were kind of working through, kind of as a result of losing Layla. Yes, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00: 40:10

I was I was definitely using to cope with um the things that I felt, um, I felt like I wasn't there for my wife, and that really weighed on me um because she was by herself when during the whole loss. So um, you know, that was something that weighed on me. Um and I was just using the drugs to just get out of my own head and just to cope, just to relieve the the stress and the the depression and the all the things that come with you know such a massive loss like that.

SPEAKER_01: 40:41

So we've come to faith, but still you're battling this addiction. So, how did kind of the next few years of how that came out, how you guys kind of navigated so through that time?

SPEAKER_02: 40:52

Um we eat so we uh had you know been attending, and like you said, he was still coming to church with me. Now there were some Sundays where and that's and because it was hidden, I think it created even more confusion, at least for me on my end, because I could feel that there was a separation, um, not only between me and Kyle, but just between I could see where the separation was starting to happen between him and like the Lord, um, which was very hard. And I think that's why I had the reaction when he told me he wasn't gonna come back, because it was not only like a fear of being unequally yoked, but also um that I wanted him to feel the peace and all of the things that I had already been experiencing. But we had come, you know, many Sundays and he didn't come in with me some Sundays. Um, and that was hard because people began to notice because they care. Um, and that's you know, one of the things we loved the most about Life House Church is just that we felt so welcomed, um, like a family. It just feels like a family. Um, and so there were Sundays where I would walk up and we used to sit right behind Pastor Mark. So it was kind of, I mean, he he would tell he could tell if Kyle wasn't with me. So he turned around and, you know, was like, where's Kyle? And I said he's in the parking lot, he won't come in. And he would, you know, stop what he was doing. And he's like, Let's pray right now. And um, you know, and we did. We prayed every Sunday where, you know, the enemy tried to attack, or Kyle didn't like we still just prayed, um, and just I believed um that he would get a hold of Kyle and that he would um soften his heart.

SPEAKER_01: 42:40

And so, Kyle, how did that happen?

SPEAKER_00: 42:43

Um it it uh it happened uh slowly over time. Um, and it wasn't until you know I finally overcome the addiction that I feel like I actually stepped into the role as you know the leader of the house, um, you know, the leader of my wife, um, you know, because everything else just got in the way. Um it made a bad situation worse. Um, and it it just it rolled out into every every facet of my life, the way I parented my my kids, it affected that, the way I loved my wife. Um, you know, going to work, I work for myself, but just the way I ran my business, it just affected everything around me.

SPEAKER_01: 43:26

So, how did God work definitely? I think you said you had to admit it, you know, you had to put it on the table. Well, I don't know how it was.

SPEAKER_02: 43:33

Well, it kind of was really six months after losing Layla. Um, sorry, I don't mean to like interject, but six months after losing Layla um is when we found out we were pregnant. Again, again, which was very unexpected because we weren't trying, we were just navigating this, you know, new road and the healing and the grief and raising the girls. And what does that look like after um child loss? And uh we, you know, were not expecting it at all, but it was a huge blessing. We felt like it was something that was um, you know, divine, you know, divinely sent. We felt like it was um a huge blessing following such a traumatic loss. And uh that was a hard pregnancy, really was. Um, because in the midst of all of that, he was battling, you know, uh uh addiction, a hidden addiction and hidden sin um at that, which just kind of made it really hard um being pregnant with Henry, but you know, um carried him all the way through full term and had him.

SPEAKER_00: 44:49

And so my sin didn't come out until I kept it hidden for over a year after we lost Layla.

SPEAKER_02: 44:57

No, I didn't find out until That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 45:00

It didn't come out until after, like way after.

SPEAKER_02: 45:03

After Henry, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 45:03

Yeah, like I I was in this sin, stuck in this sin for a year and a half, maybe like you know, a good while, um, all the way up until she was about to um give birth to Henry. And um I confronted you. Yeah, she confronted me and found out about it, and then it was you know out on the table. So I was in that season of sin for you know two years and it wreaked havoc. Looking back at it now, it it really did wreak havoc over our lives. And um I mean we lost our home. Yeah, we had to we lost, we did lose our home, um, had to move in with her mother. Um, I I ultimately ended up uh stopped running the business and I just went to work full-time on the water, um, which is still good money, but it wasn't the money that I was making, which in turn, like I said, lost lost the house we had. Um, and I was just in a in a bad and I'm still in a bad spot, dealing with a lot of depression um still, and um, you know, getting ready to have another baby, it just brought a whole lot of a lot of stuff up again.

SPEAKER_01: 46:09

So, Henry, and so this is coming out, and yeah, I mean chat, a lot of emotions, and I'm sure for you navigating pregnancy and and these things going on. So kind of coming to that point, you know. So, how did you guys work through you know that time?

SPEAKER_02: 46:24

Um, I would say, you know, I just kind of came to him and just told him that I just it wasn't um, you know, I didn't really not that I didn't need to know everything about it, but at that time I was like, you know, we're about to have this baby, um, and we've been through so much. And I want us to be together and I want us to stay together, and I will fight for our marriage, but I cannot have you doing this and being around him. Um, and you know, he assured me that he was really trying his best and his hardest to, you know, get free from the addiction itself. And uh we had Henry on um, oh gosh, December 8th of 2023. Yeah, 2023. And uh beautiful baby boy, which was not expected at all. We thought for sure we would have uh all girls, but our um baby boy Henry surprised us, so he uh was such a blessing and we're grateful that we had you know six weeks um with him. And you know, he was about three, I would say he was like three and a half weeks old. And you know, keep in mind we're carrying all that, all that grief still, even though we were healing and the Lord was helping us um, you know, navigate all of that. Uh we definitely were still, you know, we had fears and and and it was scary. Um, but at three and a half weeks old, he ended up uh sounding like he was, you know, just really kind of congested. And we ended up taking him right in as soon as we heard it because of just how vigilant we were being um with all of our kids at that point in time. And so we uh took him to the doctor, had him tested. Uh, and sadly, obviously that was around COVID time. Uh, and at three and a half weeks old, Henry had sadly caught COVID. Uh, at the time they said COVID and RSV. So that was not something any mother wants to hear for their infant um because it can be really hard on them. At that point, that's what they were saying, um, that it was really hard for the infants. And so we uh took him to AI DuPont three different times uh to have him seen by doctors because he was just having a hard time breathing, and that was creating, you know, a lot of uncertainty for us. We just didn't feel comfortable having him home after what we had gone through. We didn't, we didn't want to miss something, I think is what we were worried about. So we were, you know, vigilant about going back until they admitted us. And then we were in the hospital for like three or four days, I would say. And then we came home. Um, he had been doing better at that point. He had um, you know, cough was clearing up his, he was able to breathe much better. But um we attended church and life group. And this was the day before he passed away. Um and we uh everyone had met him that night. That was the first time actually, I think that everyone um from our life group family was had um held him, met him, um, and they knew our story. Um, so it was just a very a night that was filled with a lot of joy, just passing. He was the end pass around like a hot potato. Um, but he loved it. Uh so he was getting all the love and attention. And then um, do you wanna do you want me to share following that?

SPEAKER_00: 50:08

Yeah, you can share.

unknown: 50:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 50:10

Um, so we, you know, went home after life group, um, like any other Sunday when we had life group. And uh we went home to my mom's actually at that point. We were living at my mom's, but a different house that she was living at at this point. So during all of this, there was a lot of like displaced feeling. We didn't really have like our own home, um, but we were still navigating the grief, and then we, you know, surprise pregnancy. It was just so many things happening, um, but still, you know, pursuing the Lord and coming to church on Sundays. And um we went home and did our nighttime routine with our kids and laid him down. And it was about five o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_03: 50:57

Four thirty.

SPEAKER_02: 50:58

Four thirty in the morning. Um, and at that point he was six weeks old. And I was, you know, we were both exhausted, really, from just being in the hospital and just a lot. It was very draining at that time. And so uh coming home to my mom's and then him waking up early in the morning with Henry, I was asleep. Um, the girls were both asleep. Um, sounds very familiar, same scenario, you know. Um, and I remember waking up, I guess, around uh shortly after five o'clock, I want to say it was. And uh I sat up and immediately, I don't know how to explain. I I hadn't even realized that Henry was in the bed with us.

SPEAKER_00: 51:46

I just felt kind of like we were squished on a bed, and it was just and I woke up um like I it was like 4 45 and I had you know nighttime routine, bottle diaper, early morning routine. Early morning, bottle diaper, uh re-swaddled, and um, I was burping him on my chest, uh, leaned back against the headboard, and um, I guess I had just fallen asleep. And um, that's when she was saying about the time that she woke up about I guess 5 05, shortly after 5.

SPEAKER_02: 52:17

Well, and you were also five days sober at this point. He was trying to get clean on his own. Um, so and I didn't realize this until after I didn't know any of this until after the fact. But um, so he had fallen asleep, and I woke up and found him in the bed with us and immediately, you know, responded and just was like Kyle waking him up, telling him like Henry's unresponsive. He's he was in the bed with us. Um, and immediately I went out of the bedroom. My niece woke up, my her boyfriend, um, who really is like family. I mean, they've been together for a while and they were both there and they came and she is actually, you know, been going to school for nursing and everything. So she knew CPR and all of those things. And I I did not know how to do any of that. And I honestly froze. Um, and I struggled with feeling guilty in those moments too. Like, should I be the one doing trying to tend to to to um Henry because I had already walked through losing Layla and Kyle wasn't there when that happened. So I felt like I almost felt guilty, like I needed to protect him, but he was, you know, already down on the ground with Nadia working on Henry. And um, they were, you know, trying to resuscitate him. And we called 911, and the girls wake up to that again, just confusion and you know, weeping. And people, we I mean, we were it was very, it feels like I said, it it happens fast, but at the same time, it feels like time slows down. So we um called 911, and of course, everyone small county, um, like Kyle said, so everyone knew our story from the our county too. And they said as soon as that it came, as soon as it came across the radio that it was an infant, that they all were hoping and praying that it wasn't me and Kyle. And um, unfortunately, it it was. Um, and I just remember sitting at the hospital, um, you know, when we got there. I mean, I literally I felt like I I was gonna be sick because it just felt unreal.

SPEAKER_00: 54:34

Like Yeah, we both rode into the to the hospital in Chestertown with the ambulance. Um and uh we got to the to the hospital and I remember them just, you know, taking him inside. And um it was just a few minutes later they said that they couldn't there's nothing else they could do, and you know, I just the same thing, instantly just felt sick again to our to my stomach. Um remember sitting on the curb outside just sobbing and like vomiting and just really going through it.

SPEAKER_02: 55:06

Yeah. And um, you know, they uh I actually sat down once we they took us into a very similar room. This was a different hospital, so it was also a different experience um from us losing Layla um just because it was our small town hospital. They shut the whole ER down. They didn't let anybody else know. They redirected all the ambulances and everything because they wanted us to have as much time as we needed to say goodbye to him in the trauma room that he was in, um, which we're so grateful that they just were, they just they were so um gentle with the way that they handled the situation. It was just very considerate, very respectful of us and what we were, you know, dealing with. And um, I remember typing a message, sitting in that like family conference room, and it was to the same friend who invited me to Life House. Um, and even my friends at that time probably would have never thought in a million years they would get that text from me like that following one loss. And it was uh just a text I couldn't even get anything else out except for we lost Henry and we're at the hospital. And she immediately was like, What happened? Oh my like, couldn't even believe it, rushed to the hospital. I mean, everybody just like rushed to get to us um and to be there during that time. And you know, we had I would say unlimited time, but we took probably a good 30, 20 minutes, maybe 20 minutes, uh, 15 minutes um to just hold him. Um you know, my friend at the time asked if I was comfortable with her taking pictures. Um, and at first I didn't know how to feel about that, but I'm I'm we haven't actually at this point um sat down to ever look at those pictures. And that's definitely something that we've talked about on and off in the last year, I would say, is just feeling like ready, feeling led to maybe do that. Um, because I think it'll add a some healing, maybe. I it's just the sense I get from the Lord is that it's a necessary step um in kind of confronting the grief. Um, because it can be something that you try to run away from, which is what I found myself wanting to do um after losing Henry. So um at that point I was eight years sober from a prior substance addiction that I struggled with. Um and we went to, you know, the uh OBGYN doctor that day, and I I didn't want to go there at all. I didn't even want to return to that office because then you have to explain it to the people. And it's that's hard, and you definitely don't want to do it a second time when you've gone through it once. And um once we left there, I just remember looking at Kyle and saying, I don't want to feel anything, you know. And one thing led to another, and we both began struggling with um an addiction. And because people cared and people loved us, um, a few people, um, friends from Lifehouse brought it to leadership.

unknown: 58:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 58:37

So, yes, a really challenging time, you know, second loss of a child, like you say, kind of having that history. I don't, you know, Kyle, you're trying to get sober and Paige kind of having that history. So those are tough times, you know, walking through the grief, and and that's when you know Satan can really prey on us. So it sounds like that became a struggle for you all. And and you said kind of how long did that take to kind of you know come to light, or you know, how did that kind of you know walk there in terms of just that journal part of the journey?

SPEAKER_02: 59:07

I don't think that it it took very long. Um it was only like a month, maybe a month and a half before you know, people started recognizing obviously something was different, um, different about both of us, but definitely different about me because I had close friendships and relationships um with people in Life House Church at that time. And just so um there was a definite shift in our behavior, um, but still trying, I was still trying to fight against my my desires of my flesh, though, and and the the desire to kind of escape that the the the grief and and feeling um anything at all. But um I definitely felt just um an urge to like you know try to do my best to. Just kind of like lean into the Lord as much as I could. And I think once it came to light, because I was already struggling with like wanting to get away from it. And it hadn't even been that long, but it was just very dark. It was one of just a very dark time, scary, honestly. But um, I'm grateful that the Lord, you know, was able to bring us out of that. And it was really through the sin being brought, you know, out of the darkness and into the light that allowed um him to work through um the situation. And we were able to then have support around us. And uh just the elder team and everyone was just so amazing with just coming around us and it's like, what do you all need? And how can we help? How can we pray for you all? Um, and we, you know, made a promise to leadership and also ourselves and God that we would, you know, uh get sober and that if we, you know, could not do it on our own, that we would go into treatment. Um, and luckily, um, you know, we were able to work with local, um, well, really it was child protective services was the one kind of um driving the vehicle, um, if you want to say that, like of what the steps we had to take after um losing Henry. And once the addiction came out, it became hyper focused on, you know, getting us well so we could take care of our children. Um, and so through continuing to come to church um and starting to attend actually the Jesus Project, um, we were able to share openly with people about um our struggles with addiction and about our um battle with the grief and the pain and the loss and um in sharing and in hearing other people share, uh the Lord did a work in both of us. Um and he was able to uh you know set us free and help us get to almost two years of sobriety from you know from all of that. And um it's just been um amazing to see how um even you know when you're in the midst of something like that, and like I said, dark times. So it felt very hopeless, but I but I always knew um and continue to try to keep my eyes and my heart fixed on, you know, the fact that there was hope and it was in Jesus. Um and that that is, you know, I needed to turn back to him. That was my answer, and that's what I needed. And so we both, you know, redirected everything and made it solely about, you know, getting sober, but integrating the Lord into all of that as well. And what does that look like? And um, it's been pretty incredible how he's you know used our story to be instrumental in helping other people, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:06

I think that's always the beauty, several things you said, the benefit of Christian community, you know, in your addiction, in your pain, it was the community that recognized that and came around you, right? Like the leadership, people you knew that it come to life house. So how much and you could maybe share how your recovery, you know, sounded like you didn't have to go into the deep rehab because you were able to give it to the Lord. Not that that's everybody's story, but when you have that Christian community, you have that hope, you know, that's in Christ, and everybody's reminding you of that. It really helps you through that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:39

Yeah, absolutely. Is there anything you want to um add? No.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:46

So two years clean, you know, you guys came through it, you know, just to get a beautiful story of the impact of leaning into the Lord, you know, certainly tough times, you know, those are are hard, right? You know, it's like, but and I think like you said, God uses those times. So why we're recording this podcast? Because, you know, people who may be journeying through there, what would you say? You know, looking back to those people who maybe are, you know, kind of like in your case, trying to hide things or you know, Paige dealing with the grief, you know, how should uh people feel and navigate, you know, if they're they're working through those times now, what would you say to those folks who might be be listening?

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:25

Um did you have something you want to say about it?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:28

I would say just don't give up hope. Um, and if if you what you if you know what you're struggling with is sin, tell somebody because you just need accountability. Accountability will help you beat it faster than anything, I believe. Just having somebody, I mean just a you know, a like-minded peer, maybe somebody that has more clean time than you. Um, you gotta go to somebody.

unknown: 1:04:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:49

The power of confession, you know, being able to just openly um share something that is hard. And, you know, like we said, inviting people into your your your pain um or the hard chapters are, you know, what we think are the hard chapters of our story and of our life. Um, it can be hard to invite people in, but that is when I truly believe that the Holy Spirit is able to do his greatest work, um, is when we invite people into those places that are uncomfortable. Um, because in opening up it it breaks chains off of off of us hearing people. But then, you know, we've over the course of the last several years, just people that have come to us and shared just how we've been encouraging for them. And that's even more encouraging because it just makes you want to continue to stay focused. But I would just say people who, yeah, just tell someone for sure. Confession is so important and sharing it with someone and bringing it to light. Um, and and just make sure you're not isolating, that you're turning to God's word. Um, because in a time like that, the enemy is going to try everything um to convince you uh that you you cannot get free. Um, you can get sober, you know. But um, I knew that there was actual true freedom that was possible through Jesus Christ. So um we both said that's like the biggest difference that we saw um not only like between the the the grieving um the loss of Layla and then grieving the loss of Henry having the Lord in our life then, you know, but also same goes for you know our battle with um substances. We didn't have that prior to, and having it this time, it was different because in laying it down at the altar and giving it to him, it we never picked it back up again. And and that's amazing. And I and not to say that that's you know the story for everyone. I know it can it's hard. Um, addiction can be hard, but um, I do believe that there's true freedom that is possible um in Jesus.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:08

Amen. And we say God can heal anything you'll put out there, but a lot of times Satan, like you say, wants to isolate, wants you to make you feel like maybe you're the only one, or that you can't have that freedom, that you're caught up in this and you're trying to end those things, and those are all just lies. And we have to walk in the truth and and why community and coming together. So, yeah, just an amazing story. And I know the last couple of years, like you say, you guys um for the Life Life Talk family, we have a Monday night. You know, if you're in the MOT area, uh have a great ministry, reclaim and recover. Paige and Kyle are part of that, helping share their story with others who are caught in the same thing, wanting to see that same freedom and redemption. Um, you know, we know the grief that you guys went through. A lot of people are battling that. And so I think your story of hope, you know, that even in the midst of you know going through that, that God has plans, He uses even in the midst of our pain, he finds us and and brings us through that and just the stories of redemption. So I know it's been tough, but appreciate you guys sharing anything as we you know bring it to a close. You would, you know, kind of say to those who may be walking through tough times or have been the biggest, you know, lessons for you all and in your walk so far. And I know God will continue to use you guys in big ways. It's been awesome to see you all sharing that with others.

unknown: 1:08:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:30

I would go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:31

I would just say stay in prayer. Um, you know, get a good like-minded community around you and um just stay in the word. Amen.

unknown: 1:08:41

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:41

And I would just say, you know, one of the biggest things too, um, in going through the loss, we kind of learned that a lot of marriages end. Um is a very high percentage of marriages. I forget what the statistic is, but it's it's a pretty high number of marriages that end um after child loss because it just creates, I think, division and uh a lot of people make the mistake of blaming one another, pointing the finger at one another. Um, and so I would just say, you know, there is um it is possible to have a full um a full marriage that is filled with all of the things that you could possibly imagine. Um, but you know, the fruits of the spirit, just all the the joy and the freedom um and the redeeming power that I've seen just kind of work out in our marriage. And I just I want people to know um to just keep pressing forward, you know, um, keep the faith, stay strong, communicate with your partner, um, forgive um one another if you are holding anything like that in your hearts. Just um invite the Lord into it and allow him to do what he does best.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:57

Amen. In the darkest times, there is still hope. There's always hope in Christ for marriage. If you're in addiction, if you're in grief, uh take it to the Lord, right? Take it to him. He can handle those griefs, those sorrows. And um, so certainly thank you all. I know it's uh can be tough, like you say, just being open and honest. And so appreciate you all being willing to come on today, uh, share your story, Life Talk Family. I hope this is an encouragement to you, uh, just knowing what they've walked through if you're in the midst of it, or you may have walked through the same things, but there is always hope. We always have hope in Christ. And he redeems, he saves. You are never too far in any place that he cannot find you and save you. So, Kyle and Page, thank you all so much. Life Talk Family, thanks for joining us, and we will talk to you all next time. Thanks for tuning in to the Life Talk Podcast. If this episode encouraged you, please be sure to like, comment, subscribe, and leave a review so others can find this content as well. And we'll look forward to seeing you next Monday for another great episode.